Movie Piracy

Post by **Specially Cork** » Sat Apr 19, 2003 6:15 pm

According to the BVA, 60% of internet users download movies off the net.

Im not saying I'm for movie piracy, but if you look at all the different types of people that use the internet, I cant see ho the majority of users can be movie pirates.
If these organisations want piracy to stop, maybe theys hould take proper action instead of flooding us with empty propaganda. I'm guessing that hhis "fact" will probably be backed up by a survey done on a very select group of users.

Master Higgins · Post by **Master Higgins** » Sat Apr 19, 2003 6:24 pm

did they specify between films of pornogrsphy and hollywood movies or even flash movies?

Veggita2099 · Post by **Veggita2099** » Sat Apr 19, 2003 6:44 pm

Sickliquid86 wrote:did they specify between films of pornogrsphy and hollywood movies or even flash movies?

Probably not, they like throwing these big numbers out to try and make people feel bad. Just like the BS that a company loses $60 for every game a person downloads. Its been proven that 90% of the people who download games/movies would have never bought it to begin with. So technically they don't lose money. I have downloaded movies before, but there isn't any of them I liked enough to have ever paid for.

BlackAura · Post by **BlackAura** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 5:59 am

I think that might be true, assuming that no person downloads more than one movie ever. As in: "The number of movies downloaded is the same as 60% of the number of 'net users".

Otherwise, it's obviously BS. Most people wouldn't even know that you can get this kind of stuff. To most non-technical people, the 'net is just for email, and maybe looking at the odd corporate web site. And you have people who never really leave the confines of AOL.

pHaDeD xP · Post by **pHaDeD xP** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 4:23 pm

I think its total BS, your telling me 60% of computer users KNOW where to get screen rips, TS, cams on mIRC? let alone know how to use a Fserv? Sorry but i think the number for people that know how to actually pirate movies still in theaters is more like 25%, as for DivX movies, i dont know about that, surley not 60% tho... Most people get online, surf the web a little bit, and check their e-mail, the computer user that knows a little bit more than the average user, downloads KaZza and downloads MP3s, and that about it. They dont even MESS with mIRC.....

liltimmyw · Post by **liltimmyw** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 4:26 pm

pHaDeD xP wrote:I think its total BS, your telling me 60% of computer users KNOW where to get screen rips, TS, cams on mIRC? let alone know how to use a Fserv? Sorry but i think the number for people that know how to actually pirate movies still in theaters is more like 25%, as for DivX movies, i dont know about that, surley not 60% tho... Most people get online, surf the web a little bit, and check their e-mail, the computer user that knows a little bit more than the average user, downloads KaZza and downloads MP3s, and that about it. They dont even MESS with mIRC.....

It didn't say anything about IRC. It says 60% of computer users download movies. It didn't say that 60T% of computer users download teh screeners off da IRC.

pHaDeD xP · Post by **pHaDeD xP** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 4:26 pm

Veggita2099 wrote:
Sickliquid86 wrote:did they specify between films of pornogrsphy and hollywood movies or even flash movies?
Probably not, they like throwing these big numbers out to try and make people feel bad. Just like the BS that a company loses $60 for every game a person downloads. Its been proven that 90% of the people who download games/movies would have never bought it to begin with. So technically they don't lose money. I have downloaded movies before, but there isn't any of them I liked enough to have ever paid for.

Exactly. They lose $60 for every game d/led? BS.. More like they losse about 15 cents, seeing as you need a blank disc, and about 0.5 seconds of electricity to stamp it, and about 4.2 cents to ship it out, and about 2 cents to stamp it with a lable and put it in abox.

And i have just downloaded a very nice DVD Rip of Chasing Amy, and i have burned it to VCD, but trust me as soon as I get time to goout and pick up the DVD i will, so why they are bitch and moaning about this, I have no idea, and their only resolution they can find is to throw out fake numbers and TRY to make people feel bad, and as we all know, eveyrone who knows how to do this dosnt let this make them feel bad, because if it did they wouldnt start doing it in the first place.

pHaDeD xP · Post by **pHaDeD xP** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 4:28 pm

liltimmyw wrote:
pHaDeD xP wrote:I think its total BS, your telling me 60% of computer users KNOW where to get screen rips, TS, cams on mIRC? let alone know how to use a Fserv? Sorry but i think the number for people that know how to actually pirate movies still in theaters is more like 25%, as for DivX movies, i dont know about that, surley not 60% tho... Most people get online, surf the web a little bit, and check their e-mail, the computer user that knows a little bit more than the average user, downloads KaZza and downloads MP3s, and that about it. They dont even MESS with mIRC.....
It didn't say anything about IRC. It says 60% of computer users download movies. It didn't say that 60T% of computer users download teh screeners off da IRC.

Thats why i said "as for DivX i dont know.." what i ment was i dont know how many users use kaZza to d/l movies, i was only talking about mIRC

And Sick as for the porn d/ls... i think that about 95% of male users download porn off the net

-Azathoth- · Post by **-Azathoth-** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 4:31 pm

hmmm....well i just bought a dvd burner, so it might seem kinda pointless to go out and buy an Xbox just for the Divx media player...the ps2 divx player is nice, but it has its limitations, unfortunately.

Post by **Specially Cork** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 5:35 pm

I read these figures in a video rental trade weekly.
Its funny because on one page they have those figures, and on the next page they complain about FACT (the antipiracy people in the UK) because they are now going after video rental dealers who buy retail product (that is sold not-for-rental) and then go ahead and rent it anyway.

They seem to think ripping film studios off is only wrong if it's piracy. One man actually said, "Why are FACT coming after us? Pirates get told its wrong, film studios never say we cant rent retail product. What law are we breaking?"
Well, it's pretty much the same one...

perry · Post by **perry** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 6:37 pm

liltimmyw wrote:
pHaDeD xP wrote:I think its total BS, your telling me 60% of computer users KNOW where to get screen rips, TS, cams on mIRC? let alone know how to use a Fserv? Sorry but i think the number for people that know how to actually pirate movies still in theaters is more like 25%, as for DivX movies, i dont know about that, surley not 60% tho... Most people get online, surf the web a little bit, and check their e-mail, the computer user that knows a little bit more than the average user, downloads KaZza and downloads MP3s, and that about it. They dont even MESS with mIRC.....
It didn't say anything about IRC. It says 60% of computer users download movies. It didn't say that 60T% of computer users download teh screeners off da IRC.

:Thumbup:

You seem to know a lot about gettin movie's from mIRC channels...But now know they're freely also available on near every file-sharing proggie

Post by **pixel** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 6:42 pm

Ever since my local library started building up one helluva DVD collection (filled with action titles), I don't really need to download movies, minus the new Japanese Sonic X.

perry · Post by **perry** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 7:05 pm

tenchi wrote:Ever since my local library started building up one helluva DVD collection (filled with action titles), I don't really need to download movies, minus the new Japanese Sonic X.

Does your library rent them out ? Sounds like they just let ya take em like books

SchmuckofNI · Post by **SchmuckofNI** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 7:15 pm

60%!? I don't think so. Maybe more like 15% if that. As for getting illegal rips of games, you have to remember that the company who made it has to pay its programmers, artists, musicians, etc... Why does it matter anyway if someone gets a movie for free, does it really affect that much on the actors salary basis? They are still getting millions of dollars a year for just entertaining the masses.

Lartrak · Post by **Lartrak** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 7:31 pm

My local library lets you check out movies for free. They have a small selection though.

chrisfbt1 · Post by **chrisfbt1** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 8:30 pm

I'll admit I have Downloaded a few movies <I eventually buy most of them>but I have also bought a lot more movies because of the internet because online stores have much better selections than any "REal"store.Theres no way that 60% of people even know its possible to download movies

pHaDeD xP · Post by **pHaDeD xP** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:43 pm

perry2175 wrote:
liltimmyw wrote:
pHaDeD xP wrote:I think its total BS, your telling me 60% of computer users KNOW where to get screen rips, TS, cams on mIRC? let alone know how to use a Fserv? Sorry but i think the number for people that know how to actually pirate movies still in theaters is more like 25%, as for DivX movies, i dont know about that, surley not 60% tho... Most people get online, surf the web a little bit, and check their e-mail, the computer user that knows a little bit more than the average user, downloads KaZza and downloads MP3s, and that about it. They dont even MESS with mIRC.....
It didn't say anything about IRC. It says 60% of computer users download movies. It didn't say that 60T% of computer users download teh screeners off da IRC.
::Thumbup::

You seem to know a lot about gettin movie's from mIRC channels...But now know they're freely also available on near every file-sharing proggie

Just to let you know, yes you can get movies such as SmR releases over a p2p file sharing prog, but dont plan on converting them, kuhz it wont werk. When you download from multiple users, the stream gets all chopped up, data is discontinued and then continued again, so when you try to encode the file so you can burn it as a VCD, or even if your trying to separate the audio as uncompressed in virtual dub, you will get a data stream error 99% of the time. Thats why you have to get it directly thru the SmR channel on mIRC or wuhtnot, but if you just plan to download to watch on your comp, i guess go for it, but i wouldnt it seems that the birate on the movie files are lower, and that codecs have a harder time reading them if you get the files form a p2p program.. dont know.. maybee its that damn data stream problem again

But there you have it, the reason why you CANNOT create a VCD from AVI files from p2p networks. Now as a note im ONLY talking about "still in theater" releases, if you need to get a movie already out on DVD then by all mean use a p2p network to download the full DivX (prob around 750 megs) it will work fine, and you dont have to mess with mIRC

az_bont · Post by **az_bont** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 5:03 pm

pHaDeD xP wrote:
perry2175 wrote:
liltimmyw wrote:
pHaDeD xP wrote:I think its total BS, your telling me 60% of computer users KNOW where to get screen rips, TS, cams on mIRC? let alone know how to use a Fserv? Sorry but i think the number for people that know how to actually pirate movies still in theaters is more like 25%, as for DivX movies, i dont know about that, surley not 60% tho... Most people get online, surf the web a little bit, and check their e-mail, the computer user that knows a little bit more than the average user, downloads KaZza and downloads MP3s, and that about it. They dont even MESS with mIRC.....
It didn't say anything about IRC. It says 60% of computer users download movies. It didn't say that 60T% of computer users download teh screeners off da IRC.
::Thumbup::

You seem to know a lot about gettin movie's from mIRC channels...But now know they're freely also available on near every file-sharing proggie
Just to let you know, yes you can get movies such as SmR releases over a p2p file sharing prog, but dont plan on converting them, kuhz it wont werk. When you download from multiple users, the stream gets all chopped up, data is discontinued and then continued again, so when you try to encode the file so you can burn it as a VCD, or even if your trying to separate the audio as uncompressed in virtual dub, you will get a data stream error 99% of the time. Thats why you have to get it directly thru the SmR channel on mIRC or wuhtnot, but if you just plan to download to watch on your comp, i guess go for it, but i wouldnt it seems that the birate on the movie files are lower, and that codecs have a harder time reading them if you get the files form a p2p program.. dont know.. maybee its that damn data stream problem again

But there you have it, the reason why you CANNOT create a VCD from AVI files from p2p networks. Now as a note im ONLY talking about "still in theater" releases, if you need to get a movie already out on DVD then by all mean use a p2p network to download the full DivX (prob around 750 megs) it will work fine, and you dont have to mess with mIRC

Why would a DVD-Rip convert to a VCD better? And what you're saying is partly true, as I have found one rip that wouldn't convert - but I've done dozens more that converted fine, with no visual errors or audio de-syncing. To be honest, I've had more trouble with applications and games than with videos - maybe it's just my luck?

Post by **pixel** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:41 pm

perry2175 wrote:
tenchi wrote:Ever since my local library started building up one helluva DVD collection (filled with action titles), I don't really need to download movies, minus the new Japanese Sonic X.
Does your library rent them out ? Sounds like they just let ya take em like books

yeah... today I got Matrix, Highlander, and Young Frankenstein
Not bad for free

I just have to bring them back Friday
I'm 16 and getting R movies

AmadeusZull · Post by **AmadeusZull** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:51 pm

tenchi wrote:
perry2175 wrote:
tenchi wrote:Ever since my local library started building up one helluva DVD collection (filled with action titles), I don't really need to download movies, minus the new Japanese Sonic X.
Does your library rent them out ? Sounds like they just let ya take em like books
yeah... today I got Matrix, Highlander, and Young Frankenstein
Not bad for free
I just have to bring them back Friday
I'm 16 and getting R movies

i was 13 renting porno from mr hanif at local porn store. man ruled.